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What have you been listening to lately?
What do you want to explore?
What's your favourite traditional folk music?

>Find, learn and explore (useful links)

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>Were you around for when we were having the /trad/ threads and the sadly defunct last.fm group?
Yeah, but I could never post in those (nor /groove/) because of timezone issues. Those were always up in the morning where I live, and I'm usually active since afternoon.

>All those are just labels
Sure, and you might want to argue that labels don't exist, but genres tell us the "lineage" of a style of music a recording is based on.
>We know that music is music
Sure, but music can be categorized, this thread is a very broad categorization as well. So my question is simply how can traditional folk be more accurately categorized in a way that's not just a super broad umbrella term, and instead find out the different lineages that exist in traditional folk.


If you want lineage then there is no umbrella term at all that will cover the lineage of British morris dancing other than err, British morris dancing.

I still don't understand your necessity for grouping them in any form? For the record I go by region/continent for my own organisation to make finding what I want in my library but if I want a historical perspective then its far more specific, see again morris dancing, it has little to do with white man + acoustic guitar of the mid 1900s for example.

This and /trad back in the day were 'traditional folk' for everything because when there are only 10 people interested and all with differing tastes (Hamp and I didn't like anything the same) then you need the broadest topic to get the discussion flowing.

and this is the great thing about mmusikchan, so few come here so threads last years!


Whats the difference between regional and traditional folk?

Is Jamaican dub the former or latter?


>Short answer
traditional folk is music orally passed down each generation

>Long answer

A consistent definition of traditional folk music is elusive.[2] The terms folk music, folk song, and folk dance are comparatively recent expressions. They are extensions of the term folklore, which was coined in 1846 by the English antiquarian William Thoms to describe "the traditions, customs, and superstitions of the uncultured classes".[3]

The term further derives from the German expression Volk, in the sense of "the people as a whole" as applied to popular and national music by Johann Gottfried Herder and the German Romantics over half a century earlier.[4] Traditional folk music also includes most indigenous music.[2]

>Is Jamaican dub the former or latter?

IMO its regional music


>If you want lineage then there is no umbrella term at all that will cover the lineage of British morris dancing other than err, British morris dancing
According to the Wikipedia article about it the dance/genre might be rooted in Italian folk.

>I still don't understand your necessity for grouping them in any form?

Just for the sake of it, I guess. But also because it bothers me to have a "single lineage" take the span of more than one continent, making the continent classification a bit uncomfortable (Islamic modal music being present in Africa and Asia, for example).

>Whats the difference between regional and traditional folk?
Imo, it's the same thing, but I can see why some people would disagree.

>Is Jamaican dub the former or latter?

Neither, imo. Jamaican dub is a type of Caribbean popular music that evolved out of American popular music like rhythm and blues.

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Goddamn 1959


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>not 1973


Relistening to Black Saint And The Sinner Lady a few days ago, and it's absolutely my least favorite Mingus. Why's it so popular? It seems a lot less intimate than the other ones I've heard, the big band style kind of makes it seem anonymous. I dunno musikchan, what do you think?


Been listening to a lot of jazz that has left me underwhelmed, actually… I checked out the Mahmoud Guinia/Pharoah Sanders collaboration "The Trance of Seven Colors" and felt their styles didn't really blend. Listened to this (https://www.allmusic.com/album/bill-mchenry-quartet-feat-paul-motian-mw0000694939) with high hopes thinking it'd be a super spacey Ornette Coleman deal, but it sounded kinda sloppy and lazy to me somehow. On the other hand, I've been enjoying Jimmy Giuffre, George Russell, and was surprised how good this was (https://familyvineyard.bandcamp.com/album/and-thats-the-story-of-jazz)

Any recs or opinions on any of these albums/artists?


>2 album wonder

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Academic, classical and experimental only, early edition.

Favourite artists?
Favouite works?

Genius or just a pretty face?
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Opions on Vladislav Delay?


Lets not forget Morton Subotnick



Who invented electronic music?
What was the first recorded piece?


Not telling you


>Who invented electronic music?
Depends how you define 'invented'? Whoever made the first electronic based instrument or the one who intentionally made a banger with it?

>What was the first recorded piece?

Schaeffer I think

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Been enjoying a journey of ballet and opera of late, anyone else like either? Particular favourites?
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Every Saturday there are transmissions on the radio of operas, for me internet radio is the best way to discover new pieces. So check https://www.worldconcerthall.com/en/schedule-list/ and http://www.operacast.com/nextsat.htm for concerts and operas that are transmitted on the internet. My favorite opera composer is Janacek. The cunning little vixen is the most accessible work. Der Freischütz (The marksman) from Carl Maria von Weber is pretty good for beginners to opera. Also Salome is an absolute classic, nothing to fear there.


excellent recommendation. In NYC we have WQXR, which is the best classical station that I have heard.

They frequently broadcast performances from the Metropolitan Opera (among others)



Thanks, will check those out and scour the web for British ones too although it shouldn't really make much odds, wonder if there are Russian stations too.

>My favorite opera composer is Janacek. The cunning little vixen is the most accessible work. Der Freischütz (The marksman) from Carl Maria von Weber is pretty good for beginners to opera. Also Salome is an absolute classic

All cued up for when I get the time too cheers


Are there any ballets or operas NOT on youtube?

The music is nice and all but both really need to be seen, not just heard, especially ballet.


Copyright can be a bitch. It helps that the copyright filter is shit when it comes to classical music, the filter can't cope with live played music. But some labels and opera houses (Viennese state opera for example) take down videos when they find it. It's difficult to find operas outside the top 100 and staged versions on youtube are the exception, not the rule.

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Any fans or residents of countries south of the border, down Mexico way about?

Trad, regional and local styles only.



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DUDE WEED and Bieber have not given it a great rec but anyone else here like music from Central America, Caribbean and South America?

Local styles, not just pop/rock.


King Selewa & His Calypsions - Back To Mi Home

It was the sound of my summer.


Eduardo Mateo - Mateo solo bien se lame

It's a really comfy album from Uruguay with a whole bunch of Brazilian influences but still really smooth and nice.

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It's not a solo, there's fuckin random guitar chords and shit in the background. What melody it does manage to have is fuckin messy and rambling. If you like listening to random shit for forty minutes at a time, it's good for you. Giving droning noise a name like, "free jazz", doesn't elevate in anyway. I like something that I can actually remember two seconds later because it has some cohesion to it.


gotta say, i agree here. i like melodic stuff first and foremost. interesting harmonies are great, but they have to support a good melody. melody is king.


you have bad taste and you should feel bad


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If you consider liking postmodern drivel that doesn't follow any of the established musical structural principles that have been developed over the course of hundreds of years and anybody with even a rudimentary undestanding of music can appreciate good taste, then all the more power to you.


A theory nerd and someone who at least admits they're talking about taste argue about taste. They are arguing about taste and as such are both wrong.

I'm enjoying this, even after noticing the story behind it, which reveals that the bassist was fucking around and intentionally trying to ruin the performance. So yeah, definitely goes against theory. Pretty curious what that really implies though. No one can deny the usefulness, historical importance and objectivity of music theory, but I'll let anyone invested expand on that their own as it relates to taste in a meaningful way if they can.

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what are your top 3 favourite instruments.

>why for bonus points and a sweetie
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do you play in any alternate tunings?

I play in open G a lot. I find it extremely intuitive, but I can only really play in the key of G.


Piano. I've been playing it for years. It's versatility and, "cleaness", can't be beat. Piano is like music in its purest form, with no instrument characterization. Even when you listen to a harpsichord or organ, you feel like you're listening to the notes through a filter.


Wow, didn't think I would've got a response that quick, but yeah. I play in open D a lot. Didn't the stones use open G? I learned open D from playing Elliott Smith songs mainly, and maybe a couple Bob Dylan ones, like Corrina Corrina (his version of). Can't really say it's any easier, I'm probably just a shit musician.


yeah, the stones used open G, but I mostly play fingerstyle folk stuff

something like this


i have played in open G enough to really know the fretboard and my ear is attuned to what my hand should be doing. the only downfall is that i only play in the key of G.


Still waiting on my sweet OP

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We good to do this?
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Thanks for the dump, gotta check these out


reminder that turny is a god who's trying his best to keep this place alive


just sharing some choons


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damn son, nice thread


Thanks for these dude, pretty funky

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I hope this is an ok place to post this, if not tell me.

I have a song I heard a long time ago, and only remember some of the lyrics, but can find them nowhere on the whole interweb, so perhaps the chan can help me out.

They are part of the chorous and go:

bring light to the darkness
sight/light to the blind, inspiration to the artist"

I might be mistaken, but I believe they are connected to an artist called "son of saturn" (or perhaps were just burned onto the same disc as his music (it was a long time ago)).

If anyone can help me out in any way, please do so.

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