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Music theory seems to me to be synonymous with the study of music. I think people are virtue signaling and not thinking about this enough when they praise this change for broadening the scope of the music department. Sure, generally classical music is what we think of when we think of theory, and classical is very white/male. I agree that it would be best if someone could get a music education that isn't classical-focused. But, if you aren't studying theory, what are you studying? History and politics alone won't make you a good musician. It would be better if academics looked for a way to reconcile theory and other styles of music than emasculate their music department for the sake of immediate diversity


This sums up my thoughts on it. Music is so holistic that excluding music theory especially seems ridiculous to me.


Why bother studying music if you don't learn at least a little theory?


I study music (music technology) but I never studied music traditionally aside from the occasional guitar grade as a kid. There have been a few times when I'd really wished I understood traditional theory better, however I worked around it.

One thing I've noticed is that the students on my course who understand theory all seem to go about writing music in the same way and end up with a more commercial result, and the ones like myself who don't spend a lot of time fucking around until something cool comes out or something just doesn't.

Anyway, music is very broad and very subjective. Who's to say how you can really study and appreciate it?

I don't know what I'm getting at here.

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Make sure you visit the page https://saphirjd.me - my preferred - sadly unsorted - best of music collection from the Demoscene - That guy collects since many years ruling retro stuff.

Worth a visit!


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What your top recommended track to check out?


Seems interesting, I've never heard of this scene

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>reversed vocals


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>bright, shimmering, evolving pads


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Incredibly high pitch wailing guitar solos like the one in Cemetary Gates by Pantera.

Those super high notes are fucking sweet, UNFFFF.

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Any Laibach fans here? Some of there music is among the best in the genre, but some of it is rubbish. Some of their writing for chorus is classical level good.

Aside from JCS, what else is recommended?



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Listening to Opus Dei now. Quite good for 'old school' industrial.

apparently there are some questionable political undertones, but i dont know what those are.



I have listened to them before but nothing had particularly stuck with me.

>the genre

I assume you mean industrial, haha


Anything on Jesus Christ Superstars is top tier industrial metal, but that is not their main genre. The album Volk transcends industrial and would be closer to something like art pop if not for the audible industrial roots


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Apparently its pretty widely accepted that Laibach was a strong influence on Rammstein, both bands have commented on it and accepted it. So, today I listened to Rammstein's album Sehnsucht.

I honestly found it pretty weak and dated when compared to Jesus Christ Superstars. The guitar riffs were pretty good and heavy, but the rest of the music was lacking. I dont think I will be revisiting Rammstein any time soon, unless someone on here has a better album to suggest.


Mutter is a much stronger album IMO, try that

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Did you know Varese once conducted a group of jazz musicians (including Mingus) and was into jazz? This website has the recordings. It was done in 1957 and is in the free jazz style- which this article notes was 4 years before Ornette Coleman's album "Free Jazz"



nice find. i had never heard of this.

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Give feedback whenever you ask for feedback. Failing at giving feedback when asking for it will have your post removed. A strict policy, but it is out of concern for the quality of this thread.

Good site for uploading audio: https://clyp.it/
>pic related



Some melodic dubstep I'm working on


This sounds pretty good, I think you have a good sense of harmony so there's nice layering of parts, and the chord progression has some cool moments. My main complaint is that the instrumental pallet doesn't seem very interesting. It just sounds kind of like the template for edm, and the track also lacks atmosphere. It could do with more layering or changed drums to achieve that I think. Just my two cents, take it with a grain of salt, etc.


it's so ded here but might as well try



nice atmospheres and well produced

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Been away from music for awhile
Do bands exist in 2017?
All I hear is this weird pop/rap fusion thing we have now
Seems the medium is more producer focused


music has been going that way for a long time. i can remember in 2000 and earlier, every rap song had a cameo by some soft ass pop diva and every diva song had a cameo by a rapper. the industry was trying to introduce you to the style.

the pop world favors single artists over groups because a single artist is cheaper and easier to market and control than a group of people. so you will rarely find full bands in the pop world with any kind of longevity. pop/rap fusion is perfect for this.

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/mu/ recently made this chart. What do you think of it? What albums would or wouldn't you recommend? What albums would you take off the list or put on?

Some of the choices kind of baffle me, like that Rudimentary Peni album is just a regular punk album- it's not even as raw as the other RP albums I've heard, even if it is pretty repetitive and has a loop of the phrase "papas adrianus" playing in the background throughout the album (probably why it's on there). The Naked City album is normal by their standards as well.

It's too bad they didn't put a recording of Morton Feldman's second string quartet on here. It's a 6 hour long piece that doesn't even just happen to be 6 hours, but was written as an exploration of what a string quartet's structure would become if it was extended to a crazy length, or some shit like that.

Satie's Vexations should also be on the list, well, unless (most likely) there isn't a complete recording of it. It's unclear, but the piece's instructions may suggest it was intended to be played 840 times over. This would make it a very repetitive, ~18 hour long piece. It's been played too

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>wizard rock


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>Drone Metal


this one made me literally lol


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My music listening new years resolution this year was to listen to all of the Frank Zappa albums that were released during his lifetime.

As I write this post, I am currently listening to Joe's Garage. It has been amazing to see the transformation of his music from the first releases until now while maintaining a coherency over the whole body of work.

What are your favorite Zappa albums and songs?

Are any of the posthumous albums worth checking out?

What is with Frank's obsession with sexual deviants?
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Today I finished listening to You Are What You Is. I felt that this was his most 'classical' of all of the albums thus far. It was not because of the genre of the music, or the timbres used, actually it was pretty straight forward pop rock in that regard. What made it 'classical' was the careful details in the arranging and the surprising ways that sections of music may be prolonged.

Lyrically, it still spends much of its time on sexual deviance, which to me does not seem like parody anymore, but an explicit statement of Zappa's preferences. Zappa also spends some time lambasting religion in a way that may have been novel at the time, but is pretty tame by today's standards.

None of the songs on this album are instant favorites for me, but they are all high quality. There are very few sections of improvised material.

I would give this album an 8/10 and recommend it for anyone interested in Zappa.


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Today I listened to Francesco Zappa. Recently I had been getting to the point in his discography where he was beginning to make orchestral albums more frequently. Honestly those have been putting me to sleep. I thought this album was going to be one of those, but it was something quite different.

Apparently Frank heard that there was a baroque composer with a similar name, Francesco Zappa. It turned out that Francesco's work was pretty good, but only existed in the dusty archives of a college library. So, he decided to publish the work and make a recording of it.

This album is the baroque music of Francesco Zappa arranged on a synclavier. I have always enjoyed baroque music, especially some of the less popular stuff as it can be a bit surprising. Francesco Zappa's music is quite nicely written and the synclavier orchestration gives it a bit of a 'Switched on Bach' feel. As of recent this has been one of my more enjoyable Zappa listens. I might even put this on again later while I am relaxing at home.


This >>31294 is a good starting point, but if you're on the fence about his humor, Hot Rats is also a great place to dive in.

Lather is posthumous, long but has some great shit on it


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Today I got around to Jazz From Hell. This is the third synclavier heavy album in a row and the synclavier is beginning to get on my nerves. I also noticed that there are a lot of live albums towards the end of his discography. I am skipping those.

I would be curious to know if any of the people who are into more experimental music have ever listened to Jazz From Hell or Does Humor Belong In Music. Jazz from hell is especially "experimental" and has a proto-IDM feel about it.

>Jazz From Hell


>Lather is posthumous, long but has some great shit on it

I'll give it a shot. By now I am getting pretty tired of his music in general. Most of his late discography seems to be focused on his more classical side, which so far I dont find that interesting. If I check out the posthumous works, I hope they will be more in the vein of rock or showtunes.


I finally made it to Yellow Shark.

I was not terribly impressed by it. There is a famous story about the Argentinian composer, Astor Piazzolla, that illustrates my feelings about Zappa's classical works.

Piazzolla played in a tango band, but also wanted to be a composer. The most influential composer of his youth was Stravinsky and he wrote many pieces influenced by the works of Stravinsky. At some point he went to study with Nadia Boulanger, the most famous music teacher of that time. She looked at his Stravinsky inspired works and found them pretty dull. He eventually told her about his tango band and she asked him to play her some of that music. Upon hearing his original tango music, she told him that this is where his genius lies and that this should be his focus.

I think that Zappa's classical music is similar. Without his interest in classical music, he would not have made all of the awesome rock music that he did. However, his genius did not lie in classical music, it was in rock music and that is where his focus should have remained.

I find the end of his discography to be fairly boring. It contains many live albums, classical albums, and "experimental" albums. I much prefer the more straightforward rock albums.

also, the music of Piazzolla is work checking out


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