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 No.32142

What have you been listening to lately?
What do you want to explore?
What's your favourite traditional folk music?

>Find, learn and explore (useful links)

http://explr.fm
http://www.folkways.si.edu/
http://www.ethnomusicology.org/?Resources_Links
http://mais-web.libguides.com/content.php?pid=638141&sid=5280079
http://guides.library.ucla.edu/ethno

 No.32147

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After the 6 months odd of exploring with Hampus and others on /mu/ and in the last.fm group I came to the conclusion my interests laid solely with the Caribbean, Central and South America and some African countries, its them drums, get me every time.

That said, while I'm not a fan of string music in any genre except funk/soul, I do like me a nice bit of guzheng.

If anyone wants to trawl through the /trad/ thread discussions we had on /mu/ there are 7 pages here, be aware though that most don't have many replies.

 No.32149

>>32147
and know, the actual link

https://rbt.asia/mu/search/subject/trad/page/1/

damn dementia

 No.32152

coming from other thread

 No.32153

>>32152
Hey, welcome. It will be slow and quiet often just once or twice a day but threads here last years!

What do you like?

 No.32154

>>32153
dude, I had no idea this board even existed 'til today. what's the concept - keep it a secret so only the faithful find it?
anyway, looking at the chart, I actually own 4 physical albums in the chart, from visiting 2nd-hand music shops:
>UNESCO album - Greece
>UNESCO album - Ba-Benzele Pygmies
>Yazoo - Madagascar
>JVC - Music of Marginal Polynesia
…plus I recognize a bunch of other albums, like the Alan Lomax Deep River of Song 1935 Bahamas recordings, which are awesome. Nonesuch Explorer released a great collection from 1965 called The Real Bahamas, which is a bona fide classic.

anyway, I like Qawwali a lot - Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, and his cousin Badar Ali Khan, mostly. usually I'd feel embarrassed from only being able to speak about 2 artists, but those 2 are great enough!

I've recently come into contact with a large amount of guqin album from the Hugo label, which I haven't even begun to process yet. I really started getting into that label from one album of guzheng music, which I loved a lot. zheng seems easier to get into, IMO.

I'm collecting Gagaku recordings, though the 1979 Ocora album remains my current favourite. the 1981 JVC album feels too messy, and the 1963 album I found didn't really connect with me.

that's a good start, I think.

 No.32156

also, if the concept of the chart is to collect recordings from every country in the world, I have a few recommendations for albums that I prefer of those listed:
>Columbia - Petrona Martinez
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd9s3vFhGj0
because, I'm an intensity guy.
>>32147
↑↑ listen up to that ↑↑
also, highly recommended is the Soul Jazz comp Tumba Francesca, la Caridad de Oriente - Afro Cuban Music from the Roots:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPRoyFpY9PI
the whole album is on that channel, and it's brilliant

 No.32157

>>32154
The board has been around years now, it was a spin off by pissed off /mu/tants much like the metathread there today but they actually acted on it. Its had its up and downs but now people here just get on with it and if by chance someone actually comes over from /mu/ then more the merrier as long as they don't shitpost. Sadly alot of people are reluctant as its so quiet but then I'd rather 3 good posts a day opposed to 17 frog/fantano/69 threads an hour.

If/when I do post about it on /mu/ I try to stick with jazz, classical, trad, funk/soul or academic electronic fans (and bleep but biased) so as not the same old shit, the latest FotM trap album or shitposters.

Hampus (an old tripfag) made that chart a while back in a vain attempt to get people posting about trad folk on /mu/ but in the end he just gave up.

Thats an impressive collection and range of listening though, most on /mu/ don't listen to any so great to have you posting here.

I'm going to have to go and familiarise / introduce myself to most yours, I've been out of touch a while.

 No.32158

>>32157
I know who hampus is - I've been on /mu/ intermittently since 2011.
I love how the genre threads you listed contain all my favourite genres, except academic electronic, and jazz to some extent.
as for my ethos, I'm basically a Dionysian at heart: dance is important to me, as is intensity, for the sake of spiritual transcendence and personal transformation.

what do you love to listen to in particular? that Cuban album I linked is one of my favourites, as is that Colombian one. I just lose myself in that rhythm, and the call-and-response singing, which is so flexible that I can hear them changing course and improvising throughout.
but yeah, list a bunch of stuff you can't do without (that's usually the best way to get at the heart of what we want to discover) - and I'll try to be more comprehensive and selective about what I really love, since I kind of spun those selection off the top of my head.

 No.32161

>>32157
if you want to familiarize yourself with those recordings, here's the Gagaku one I mentioned:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoKP-o-cXak
celestial, other-worldly. also one of the oldest surviving forms of orchestral music.
for the Qawwali music, I don't think any of the Ocora recordings of Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan are on Youtube, let alone Spotify. I could upload them for you, if you'd like. but here's a masterpiece from his cousin Badar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABWzpAnZn8A
it's like a condensed lesson of what makes the form great, while Nusrat can go for over an hour, but his peaks are basically Everest, IMO.
the guzheng album released through Hugo Production I first found was by Louis Chen, and I also acquired a second collection from the same label off the German Amazon site, called High Mountains, Flowing Water (or something similar). again, I'd be happy to upload it.

 No.32165

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>>32142
Here's a great compilation of music from Burundi. My favorites are Chant En Sanza and Solo De Cithare.

 No.32166

>>32165
the one recording from that album that I immediately remembered as mind-bending is the Salutation akazehe 2, where the two girls are singing in a way that their voices overlap one another - makes my mind just freak out. the whisper song was a interesting hook when I first discovered it on Youtube.
the chant et sanza you like - is it the 2 minute one titled "Nkur intimba," or the 4 minute recording?

 No.32167

>>32166
The 2 minute one. There's nothing named Nkur Intimba on the issue I own.

 No.32171

>>32167
mine is the 2015 CD release, and it has that listed as the title
what else do you enjoy?

 No.32173

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Hi, I come from the thread back at /mu/, and I wanted to introduce this idea that might be fun to argue about.

How can we accurately categorize traditional folk music?

One easy way to do it would be to make the categories based on the continents (african, asian, european, american and oceanian), but this is obviously inconsistent, both because a single continent can have more than one musical culture (native american versus post-colonial american sharing the same geographical space), and because a single musical culture can span more than one continent (islamic modal music exists in both asia and africa).

So how can we do it? One alternative I can think of is by roughly following Huntington's major cultural spheres. Just as a starting point, as it's flawed in many ways already.

Any opinions?

 No.32175

>>32173
Why are people so obsessed with umbrella terms (outside of rock)?

You don't see anyone saying you know, there is a lot of similarity between post-punk, doom-metal and indie, lets just call it all rock.

The USA alone has native Indian drum based traditional through to guitar based Appalachian folk, you can't even lump a single countries trad folk under one neat umbrella, stop trying to do it for the entire world.

 No.32177

>>32171
You mean from world music or in general?
I've been going through Nonesuch Explorer Series and East Africa: Ceremonial & Folk Music is my favorite so far. One of the songs on it reminds me a bit of EN's Halber Mensch. Other than that I enjoy those Brazilian post-punk compilations. Turns out Sao Paulo had a pretty big scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK34E41ql3w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0j3QiLUgVM

 No.32179

>>32173
>>32175
Kind of agree with this guy. I generally think of genres just as descriptors for music rather than an important quality. It's often unclear what genre music is, no matter the style. Depending on the context you're going to want to describe music more or less specifically or in one or other way, anyway. "Genre" as a word also has referred to totally different aspects of a composition over history. so there are a lot of reasons it doesn't seem like a particularly important categorical tool to me.

So, to answer the question… I guess it just depends on what's in your library if it's a tagging question (large amounts warrant specificity), and how specific is relevant to you. Conversationally the conversation dictates and should be obvious. I'm basic as fuck, I'd probably just go with "traditional folk"

 No.32180

>>32175
>Why are people so obsessed with umbrella terms (outside of rock)?
Eh, I'm interested in umbrella terms and specific genres both in and outside of rock.

>You don't see anyone saying you know, there is a lot of similarity between post-punk, doom-metal and indie, lets just call it all rock.

But people do all the time? If they tell you to name your favorite rock albums you would incllude post-punk, doom metal and indie if applicable.

>you can't even lump a single countries trad folk under one neat umbrella

That's exactly what I DON'T want to do. I'm trying to find a way to categorize traditional folk in ways that aren't strictly geographical. In the case of native indian and appalachian, one would fall under angloamerican folk, while the other would fall under native north american folk (although there is more than just one tradition of native north american folk music, arguably).

>>32179
>It's often unclear what genre music is, no matter the style.
I don't think I can agree with this to be honest.

>"Genre" as a word also has referred to totally different aspects of a composition over history.

In this case I mean genre as an uninterrupted lineage of music through time. European classical music is defined as the uninterrupted lineage that stems from plainchants and onwards, for example.

And the context is for the pleasure of categorization itself. I have already categorized genres of "non-regional music" (european classical, jazz, american popular, rock, electronic dance, and "experimental") faily accurately, I would say, while establishing a child-parent relationship for most genres that I think works pretty well, and I would like to do the same thing for traditional folk.

 No.32181

>>32180
>>32158
ah right cool. Were you around for when we were having the /trad/ threads and the sadly defunct last.fm group?

Bookmarked those thanks, just popping by, family stuff at the weekends. Great to see some action in here though, will join in during working week.

>>32173
>>32180
Today on this program you will hear gospel,
And rhythm and blues, and jazz
All those are just labels
We know that music is music

 No.32183

>>32181
>Were you around for when we were having the /trad/ threads and the sadly defunct last.fm group?
Yeah, but I could never post in those (nor /groove/) because of timezone issues. Those were always up in the morning where I live, and I'm usually active since afternoon.

>>32181
>All those are just labels
Sure, and you might want to argue that labels don't exist, but genres tell us the "lineage" of a style of music a recording is based on.
>We know that music is music
Sure, but music can be categorized, this thread is a very broad categorization as well. So my question is simply how can traditional folk be more accurately categorized in a way that's not just a super broad umbrella term, and instead find out the different lineages that exist in traditional folk.

 No.32184

>>32183
If you want lineage then there is no umbrella term at all that will cover the lineage of British morris dancing other than err, British morris dancing.

I still don't understand your necessity for grouping them in any form? For the record I go by region/continent for my own organisation to make finding what I want in my library but if I want a historical perspective then its far more specific, see again morris dancing, it has little to do with white man + acoustic guitar of the mid 1900s for example.

This and /trad back in the day were 'traditional folk' for everything because when there are only 10 people interested and all with differing tastes (Hamp and I didn't like anything the same) then you need the broadest topic to get the discussion flowing.

and this is the great thing about mmusikchan, so few come here so threads last years!

 No.32191

Whats the difference between regional and traditional folk?

Is Jamaican dub the former or latter?

 No.32206

>>32191
>Short answer
traditional folk is music orally passed down each generation

>Long answer

A consistent definition of traditional folk music is elusive.[2] The terms folk music, folk song, and folk dance are comparatively recent expressions. They are extensions of the term folklore, which was coined in 1846 by the English antiquarian William Thoms to describe "the traditions, customs, and superstitions of the uncultured classes".[3]

The term further derives from the German expression Volk, in the sense of "the people as a whole" as applied to popular and national music by Johann Gottfried Herder and the German Romantics over half a century earlier.[4] Traditional folk music also includes most indigenous music.[2]

>Is Jamaican dub the former or latter?

IMO its regional music

 No.32208

>>32184
>If you want lineage then there is no umbrella term at all that will cover the lineage of British morris dancing other than err, British morris dancing
According to the Wikipedia article about it the dance/genre might be rooted in Italian folk.

>I still don't understand your necessity for grouping them in any form?

Just for the sake of it, I guess. But also because it bothers me to have a "single lineage" take the span of more than one continent, making the continent classification a bit uncomfortable (Islamic modal music being present in Africa and Asia, for example).

>>32191
>Whats the difference between regional and traditional folk?
Imo, it's the same thing, but I can see why some people would disagree.

>Is Jamaican dub the former or latter?

Neither, imo. Jamaican dub is a type of Caribbean popular music that evolved out of American popular music like rhythm and blues.



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